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		<title>Comment on about this page by John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, this was a page for my students, actually. They posted summaries, etc., as you see, but it is no longer updated.

I didn&#039;t have a similar site, actually. Alas.

European philosophy - whether postmodern or phenomenological - is in real crisis here in the U.S., as well. Sadly. I have met Miguel a few times at U.S. conferences...his books are consistently first-rate.

Thanks for your note.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, this was a page for my students, actually. They posted summaries, etc., as you see, but it is no longer updated.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t have a similar site, actually. Alas.</p>
<p>European philosophy &#8211; whether postmodern or phenomenological &#8211; is in real crisis here in the U.S., as well. Sadly. I have met Miguel a few times at U.S. conferences&#8230;his books are consistently first-rate.</p>
<p>Thanks for your note.</p>
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		<title>Comment on S. Ahmed: &#8216;Orientations: Toward a Queer Phenomenology.&#8217; by kh-g</title>
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		<dc:creator>kh-g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is a starting point dwelling with queerness as phenomen, but i like to do it as anthropological veiw point in living interaction of queer sobjects, among who are queer. it may be a phenomenology of queer rather than queer phenomenology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is a starting point dwelling with queerness as phenomen, but i like to do it as anthropological veiw point in living interaction of queer sobjects, among who are queer. it may be a phenomenology of queer rather than queer phenomenology.</p>
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		<title>Comment on about this page by Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I have another strange question: did you have a website with the same name several years ago? Because I&#039;m sure I stumbled upon such a site... Your classes sound fascinating, there aren&#039;t that many places in the UK where you can study phenomenology seriously any more, as academic philosophy is being shaken up on a periodic basis, and the good academics end up in the States (although a few, such as Miguel de Bistegui, stay). Was searching for &#039;phinaesthai&#039; on google, and your site has some good explanations. I&#039;m going to keep returning...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I have another strange question: did you have a website with the same name several years ago? Because I&#8217;m sure I stumbled upon such a site&#8230; Your classes sound fascinating, there aren&#8217;t that many places in the UK where you can study phenomenology seriously any more, as academic philosophy is being shaken up on a periodic basis, and the good academics end up in the States (although a few, such as Miguel de Bistegui, stay). Was searching for &#8216;phinaesthai&#8217; on google, and your site has some good explanations. I&#8217;m going to keep returning&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fink!! by christopherbyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>christopherbyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s probably just because i&#039;m writing my paper on it, but this discussion of the finitude of language immediately reminds me of heidegger&#039;s claim as to why science would have no interest in &#039;the nothing.&#039; it makes perfect sense for an institution whose only interest is in beings and their interaction with each other to  deem something outside of those beings a &#039;nullity.&#039; if i understand desiree and noah&#039;s posts correctly, for a phenomenologist to be preoccupied with creating a &#039;transcendental language&#039; is essentially the same thing. heidegger does not take it upon himself to convince science of the importance of the nothing, because it is not a discussion that follows the logical or non-cyclical analysis attributed to the scientific method...it is to be addressed by an &#039;institution&#039; that &#039;begins with wonder&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s probably just because i&#8217;m writing my paper on it, but this discussion of the finitude of language immediately reminds me of heidegger&#8217;s claim as to why science would have no interest in &#8216;the nothing.&#8217; it makes perfect sense for an institution whose only interest is in beings and their interaction with each other to  deem something outside of those beings a &#8216;nullity.&#8217; if i understand desiree and noah&#8217;s posts correctly, for a phenomenologist to be preoccupied with creating a &#8216;transcendental language&#8217; is essentially the same thing. heidegger does not take it upon himself to convince science of the importance of the nothing, because it is not a discussion that follows the logical or non-cyclical analysis attributed to the scientific method&#8230;it is to be addressed by an &#8216;institution&#8217; that &#8216;begins with wonder&#8217;</p>
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		<title>Comment on K. Deluca: &#8216;Thinking With Heidegger: Rethinking Environmental Theory and Practice&#8217; by donescience</title>
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		<dc:creator>donescience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 04:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deluca seems very focused on the gap between instrumental and intrinsic value of nature. I don&#039;t see how what he says is particularly revolutionary, let alone &quot;Copernican&quot;. Environmental ethicists have been concerned with this gap for a long time- Aldo Leopold is a good read if you&#039;re interested in pursuing that direction. Bringing Heidegger into the debate IS interesting, though... the content of his argument sounds good if not its thrust.

-Don</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deluca seems very focused on the gap between instrumental and intrinsic value of nature. I don&#8217;t see how what he says is particularly revolutionary, let alone &#8220;Copernican&#8221;. Environmental ethicists have been concerned with this gap for a long time- Aldo Leopold is a good read if you&#8217;re interested in pursuing that direction. Bringing Heidegger into the debate IS interesting, though&#8230; the content of his argument sounds good if not its thrust.</p>
<p>-Don</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fink!! by noah37</title>
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		<dc:creator>noah37</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can’t understand what is so paradoxical about Fink’s language related-paradoxes. Throughout his rejoinder to Criticism, Fink repeatedly intones why it was inevitable that Criticism would have misunderstood Husserl’s phenomenology: they tried to understand it as a philosophical position, as a theory, rather than through an enactment of the reduction themselves. For Fink, undergoing the transformation brought with the reduction is, indeed, the only way to appreciate the true nature of phenomenology and its analyses. Thus, naturally, the phenomenologist would not be capable of presenting a phenomenological analysis to the “dogmatist” and have it be understood—such is the nature of the dogmatist’s naivete. All the phenomenologist could and should hope for would be to in some way motivate the dogmatist to perform the reduction, so that they could communicate with one another. This all seems very common sensical. So where’s the paradox?

So, as per Fink’s identification of the primary reduction-motivating force as a sense of “astonishment” or “wonderment” at how the world takes on meaning, should the phenomenologist just go around attempting to “astound” dogmatists out of their dogmatism? But if so, does not Fink, in responding to Criticism at length regarding the contents of phenomenological analysis, contradict this guidance? If we take a sense of astonishment as the only way of motivating the reduction, then I think Fink does contradict himself. But I think, and I assume from the contents of Fink’s essay that he also thinks, that the reduction could be motivated by pointing to the rewards of it: “Want to know the origin of the world? Well, I’ll tell you how it’s done. Interested?” “Well, of course I’m interested. I’ve been wanting to know the origin of the world for a mighty long time now.” And of course we could conceive of many other strategies for motivating the reduction. Thus, the phenomenologist must skillfully employ and innovate such strategies—which admittedly are expressed in the mundane terms of the natural attitude—not in order to directly expound the insights of phenomenology to those who by nature would be incapable of understanding, but in order to motivate all the dogmatists into seeing for themselves. Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can’t understand what is so paradoxical about Fink’s language related-paradoxes. Throughout his rejoinder to Criticism, Fink repeatedly intones why it was inevitable that Criticism would have misunderstood Husserl’s phenomenology: they tried to understand it as a philosophical position, as a theory, rather than through an enactment of the reduction themselves. For Fink, undergoing the transformation brought with the reduction is, indeed, the only way to appreciate the true nature of phenomenology and its analyses. Thus, naturally, the phenomenologist would not be capable of presenting a phenomenological analysis to the “dogmatist” and have it be understood—such is the nature of the dogmatist’s naivete. All the phenomenologist could and should hope for would be to in some way motivate the dogmatist to perform the reduction, so that they could communicate with one another. This all seems very common sensical. So where’s the paradox?</p>
<p>So, as per Fink’s identification of the primary reduction-motivating force as a sense of “astonishment” or “wonderment” at how the world takes on meaning, should the phenomenologist just go around attempting to “astound” dogmatists out of their dogmatism? But if so, does not Fink, in responding to Criticism at length regarding the contents of phenomenological analysis, contradict this guidance? If we take a sense of astonishment as the only way of motivating the reduction, then I think Fink does contradict himself. But I think, and I assume from the contents of Fink’s essay that he also thinks, that the reduction could be motivated by pointing to the rewards of it: “Want to know the origin of the world? Well, I’ll tell you how it’s done. Interested?” “Well, of course I’m interested. I’ve been wanting to know the origin of the world for a mighty long time now.” And of course we could conceive of many other strategies for motivating the reduction. Thus, the phenomenologist must skillfully employ and innovate such strategies—which admittedly are expressed in the mundane terms of the natural attitude—not in order to directly expound the insights of phenomenology to those who by nature would be incapable of understanding, but in order to motivate all the dogmatists into seeing for themselves. Right?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fink!! by Desirée</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desirée</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect to the problem of language, can we conceive of a phenomenological attitude apart from the natural attitude?  Hm.  I am glad to engage this post as I am kind of obsessed with problems of utterances…so pardon me while I free-associate here.  

I don’t really know how to intelligently address the problem of language in the phenomenological attitude.  However, for me, there has always been an inherent naivety to language.  What comes to mind to me right now is problem of language in a reading of Lévinas.  That is, roughly speaking, how can we talk about the infinitely Other in a language of finitude?  I bring this up because I think, with language, there is always a story of betrayal to be told.  With respect to language, the natural attitude becomes inextricable from the phenomenological – and this is unacceptable.  And, as you say Jonathan, it is not as though some sort of permutation can exist (i.e., a “transcendental language”).  

In any case, and this is an issue I’m thinking about for a paper in the Derrida class, the thing about language (in particular, I think) is that there is always a promise.  Even in its naivety, an utterance always carries with it a promise of meaning.  So, for me, there is some possibility in language and that possibility lies in the potentialities of language.  What does this mean for Fink’s problem?  I guess we’re sort of stuck with the natural attitude…but I think one would be fundamentally mistaken to say that we’re not “getting at” something inherently phenomenological even when we “speak” in the language of the natural attitude.

?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to the problem of language, can we conceive of a phenomenological attitude apart from the natural attitude?  Hm.  I am glad to engage this post as I am kind of obsessed with problems of utterances…so pardon me while I free-associate here.  </p>
<p>I don’t really know how to intelligently address the problem of language in the phenomenological attitude.  However, for me, there has always been an inherent naivety to language.  What comes to mind to me right now is problem of language in a reading of Lévinas.  That is, roughly speaking, how can we talk about the infinitely Other in a language of finitude?  I bring this up because I think, with language, there is always a story of betrayal to be told.  With respect to language, the natural attitude becomes inextricable from the phenomenological – and this is unacceptable.  And, as you say Jonathan, it is not as though some sort of permutation can exist (i.e., a “transcendental language”).  </p>
<p>In any case, and this is an issue I’m thinking about for a paper in the Derrida class, the thing about language (in particular, I think) is that there is always a promise.  Even in its naivety, an utterance always carries with it a promise of meaning.  So, for me, there is some possibility in language and that possibility lies in the potentialities of language.  What does this mean for Fink’s problem?  I guess we’re sort of stuck with the natural attitude…but I think one would be fundamentally mistaken to say that we’re not “getting at” something inherently phenomenological even when we “speak” in the language of the natural attitude.</p>
<p>?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Heidegger Podcast by phainomena &#124; Martin Heidegger &#187; Heidegger-Podcast von Hubert Dreyfus</title>
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		<dc:creator>phainomena &#124; Martin Heidegger &#187; Heidegger-Podcast von Hubert Dreyfus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 19:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Idealism, Noesis/Noema, and Goodbye to Husserl by Paths of Phenomenology : A Poem &#171; Between Husserl and Heidegger</title>
		<link>http://erlebnis.wordpress.com/2007/10/04/idealism-noesisnoema-and-goodbye-to-husserl/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Paths of Phenomenology : A Poem &#171; Between Husserl and Heidegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Oct 24th, 2007 by John    I came across an earlier post by Jonathan, the final post on Husserl, and he&#8217;d included a poem by William Carlos Williams that engaged a sense of phenomenology. And Annie added one from Ezra Pound (from Idaho!). Reread the post HERE. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Oct 24th, 2007 by John    I came across an earlier post by Jonathan, the final post on Husserl, and he&#8217;d included a poem by William Carlos Williams that engaged a sense of phenomenology. And Annie added one from Ezra Pound (from Idaho!). Reread the post HERE. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Idealism, Noesis/Noema, and Goodbye to Husserl by John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo! Ezra Pound is from Idaho...random note.

I&#039;ll add a poem that reminds me of much in phenomenology, this sense of inhabiting in order to describe, encounter, and, in a special phenomenological sense, understand.

The Snow Man

by Wallace Stevens

One must have a mind of winter
To regard the frost and the boughs
Of the pine-trees crusted with snow;

And have been cold a long time
To behold the junipers shagged with ice,
The spruces rough in the distant glitter

Of the January sun; and not to think
Of any misery in the sound of the wind,
In the sound of a few leaves,

Which is the sound of the land
Full of the same wind
That is blowing in the same bare place

For the listener, who listens in the snow,
And, nothing himself, beholds
Nothing that is not there and the nothing that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo! Ezra Pound is from Idaho&#8230;random note.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add a poem that reminds me of much in phenomenology, this sense of inhabiting in order to describe, encounter, and, in a special phenomenological sense, understand.</p>
<p>The Snow Man</p>
<p>by Wallace Stevens</p>
<p>One must have a mind of winter<br />
To regard the frost and the boughs<br />
Of the pine-trees crusted with snow;</p>
<p>And have been cold a long time<br />
To behold the junipers shagged with ice,<br />
The spruces rough in the distant glitter</p>
<p>Of the January sun; and not to think<br />
Of any misery in the sound of the wind,<br />
In the sound of a few leaves,</p>
<p>Which is the sound of the land<br />
Full of the same wind<br />
That is blowing in the same bare place</p>
<p>For the listener, who listens in the snow,<br />
And, nothing himself, beholds<br />
Nothing that is not there and the nothing that is.</p>
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